Contacted by FBI

[demo]

nonsense
this has nothing to do with each other
u can stop trolling now and fishing for more nonsense

How do you know it is unrelated?
Only amanda and fernando can confirm that, and only if this is allowed to them.

It is a conspiracy theory that matches. The 3 letters agency stopped the universal dividend of amanda.

If not, then why nobody in Dash continues amanda's job?

 

[tungfa]

How do you know it is unrelated?
Only amanda and fernando can confirm that, and only if this is allowed to them.

It is a conspiracy theory that matches. The 3 letters agency stopped the universal dividend of amanda.

If not, then why nobody in Dash continues amanda's job?

because i know when amanda left and when that email landed !

 

[demo]

because i know when amanda left and when that email landed !

Maybe they contacted amanda first.
And my main question remains unanswered.
If nobody contacted amanda, then why nobody in Dash continues amanda's (obviously succesfull) job regarding #firstdashwallet?
Where is @TaoOfSatoshi and why he stopped mining his goldmine?
Why he focuses only in Venezuela?

Yes of course. In order to have a truly secure and independant transport layer, you shouldnt rely at the state's backbone. You should use your own private backbones implemented (at least in the urban areas) with optical wireless mesh networks. In that case you really need a lot of nodes! 4000 nodes are not enough even for a single (big) town.

But of course Dash is designed to be a state dependant currency and to be easily banned by the state in case of emergency, because those were the imposed requirements. Dash may be temporarily used as a Troyan horse in order to attack foreign countries economies, but it shouldnt hurt the monetary system of the primary state which controls Dash. This is the underlying reason why the maximum number of the masternodes has been set to 10000 static IPs. Everything should be under control, and in case of emergency the total ban of the Dash network should be three clicks away.

 

[johnnydash]

Hey Folks,
The Feds, I can tell you all about them. If they wanted a sitdown thats them being nice. Either they are after someone ( maybe here or elsewhere ) or some form of intel. I can say this what ever they are after they will get it someway. ( byway of electronic communications or other ). They have the means and the money, hell they are in the top ten bitcoin billionaires club. They will pay millions to aka hackers to get what they want.
I don't mind speaking up on any of this as we the feds and myself have have a shakie relationship for hell maybe over 20 years now. (very long story)
and no i'm not an advocate of/for/sideways/byways/sideways insideout or any other words you can think of for the Feds.
I do know in 05 they went around the world on a scare campaign to censor the internet. And they won.
I would be interested in what they wanted. But thats just me. I worked for the government for 18 years mostly overseas. I have worked with the feds in cross training and a few other things. My latest head-butt with them, was i pulled a "trinity" the heat came down and lasted for a few years. So yeah we are living in a matrix.
If your not up to anything shadie then you have nothing to worrie about. (unless your a rat) (I see no rat here.)
The problem as i se it, the old school powers that be are frightened by the new generation. We are making millionaires and billionaires over night. ( sort of speak ). and they just can not wrap their heads around it.
One day they will figure it out, but today no.
So lets mine , trade, buy, sell and push our new world forward.
Thats my soapbox shout-out stepping down now.

 

[camosoul]

I don't sleep with my rifle because I'm paranoid and afraid, as the self-aggrandizing overlords like to imagine.

I sleep with my rifle because I would never forgive myself if I missed the opportunity...

...I have enough guilt for letting them live as it is.

 

[demo]

I would be interested in what they wanted.

I told you what they wanted. They were curious of what happened and @amanda_b_johnson started giving money as universal dividend. It is something they have not any plan on how to control it, especially in case a form of proof of individuality is established.

They have the means and the money, hell they are in the top ten bitcoin billionaires club. They will pay millions to aka hackers to get what they want.

They may have much money, but if the people lose the faith in that money and they believe in another form of money, then they are lost.

 

[demo]

I don't sleep with my rifle because I'm paranoid and afraid, as the self-aggrandizing overlords like to imagine.

I sleep with my rifle because I would never forgive myself if I missed the opportunity...

...I have with enough guilt for letting them live as it is.

You cannot win with your rifle. You can win with your faith.

And my main question remains unanswered.
If nobody contacted amanda, then why nobody in Dash continues amanda's (obviously succesfull) job regarding #firstdashwallet?
Where is @TaoOfSatoshi and why he stopped mining his goldmine?
Why he focuses only in Venezuela?

 

[camosoul]

You cannot win with your rifle. You can win with your faith.

The objective is not to "win," per se... But to assure the price of the contest itself is so high as to not be worth paying.

Think of it as the persecuted citizen's version of Punishment by Process.

Much like DASH is the Citizen's version of 4th Amendment Enforcement.

"Their" plan is to provide a fate worse than death, so, why not?

ATFOTRAF

All you have to do, is be able to kill more of them than pushing their BS could be worth.

I have faith in my rifle, and my skills, to accomplish this with flying colors.

I crave it... I can't think of anything I want more.

Which is unproductive and unhealthy.

Which is why I'm renouncing my citizenship.

The Bill of Rights is dead. We the People killed it. I'm not fighting that fight for the benefit of a bunch of ingrate savages anymore.

 

[chandu141]

That's really good decision you took, good job on saving and maintaining the Dash Program.
Yes, Anyone can visit the website and research from available resources to know about Dash.

 

[John Cordos]

Good to know we have a strong community

 

[CryptoUS]

TOTALLY concur with the decision not to sit down with the FBI. Let them burn their own cycles 'educating' themselves to Dash.

 

[gshenusa]

Good call DASH Team (Y)

 

[camosoul]

I had a second thought about this... Wouldn't it be good to keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

Having no further contact means you have no further hints as to what they're interested in knowing, or any hints about anything they may discover. You can be damn sure the most corrupt and evil rogue government entity on Earth is not going to openly share any exploit it might find... But, if you hang around being friendly, you might pick up a hint...

The questions asked always belie a motive... Why not listen? Even if all you do is recite an answer from TFM they could have R themselves... You haven't given them anything that wasn't already there, so you didn't lose anything, but did gain something for listening... The worst thing you do is waste a little time.

...is not necessarily bad, but we don't want to create a dynamic that could lead to uncomfortable situations for anyone in the project.

Wherever there is a need for "that guy," I'm always the first to raise my hand... Give them the guy that makes them uncomfortable.

 

[Super8]

If you watch this video - which has been posted in another thread on this forum - @ 7 mins, you'll see how successful organisations who have had regulatory issues have learned to have a friendly and open approach with regulators. (I.e. 'It's hard to hate close up')

Worth a rethink then perhaps @fernando ?

 

[demo]

I have faith in my rifle, and my skills, to accomplish this with flying colors.

Your faith in your rifle is futile. Winner or loser, you will end as dust, soil, skull and bones.
Better have faith in something that may help you escape from the skulls and bones fate.

Furthermore you buy your rifle with money. They have more money, so more rifles. Having faith in your rifle under such circumstancies is not wise. The best you can do is to have faith in a new form of money, to convince people to start using your money instead of theirs, so that their money will become obsolete, and that way turn them unable to buy unlimited rifles and attack you.

And my main question remains unanswered.
If nobody contacted amanda, then why nobody in Dash continues amanda's (obviously succesfull) job regarding #firstdashwallet?
Where is @TaoOfSatoshi and why he stopped mining his goldmine?
Why he focuses only in Venezuela?

 

[demo]

I had a second thought about this... Wouldn't it be good to keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
Having no further contact means you have no further hints as to what they're interested in knowing, or any hints about anything they may discover. You can be damn sure the most corrupt and evil rogue government entity on Earth is not going to openly share any exploit it might find... But, if you hang around being friendly, you might pick up a hint...
The questions asked always belie a motive... Why not listen? Even if all you do is recite an answer from TFM they could have R themselves... You haven't given them anything that wasn't already there, so you didn't lose anything, but did gain something for listening... The worst thing you do is waste a little time.
Wherever there is a need for "that guy," I'm always the first to raise my hand... Give them the guy that makes them uncomfortable.

Yeah. Nice thought.
Ask them, who or what are they searching for:

Those who do not comply with aml/kyc?
Those who carry rifles?
Those who are giving universal dividend and create a new money faith?

Who or what are they searching for? Is it some of the above, all of the above or none of the above?

But @fernando, do not compromise, do NOT have friendly and open approach with such "regulators", and do not come into agreement with them.
This attitude will not create a new money faith, and your money will be absorved by theirs.

 

[fernando]

If you watch this video - which has been posted in another thread on this forum - @ 7 mins, you'll see how successful organisations who have had regulatory issues have learned to have a friendly and open approach with regulators. (I.e. 'It's hard to hate close up')

Worth a rethink then perhaps @fernando ?

I'm quite convinced that not having any relation with FBI is the way to go. Remember FBI is not a regulator, is law enforcement.

 

[stan.distortion]

I had a second thought about this... Wouldn't it be good to keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

Having no further contact means you have no further hints as to what they're interested in knowing, or any hints about anything they may discover. You can be damn sure the most corrupt and evil rogue government entity on Earth is not going to openly share any exploit it might find... But, if you hang around being friendly, you might pick up a hint...

The questions asked always belie a motive... Why not listen? Even if all you do is recite an answer from TFM they could have R themselves... You haven't given them anything that wasn't already there, so you didn't lose anything, but did gain something for listening... The worst thing you do is waste a little time.



Wherever there is a need for "that guy," I'm always the first to raise my hand... Give them the guy that makes them uncomfortable.

Only if you insist on all discussions being recorded and the recordings made freely available

It does need some serious consideration though, at the mo it's law enforcement trying to get a handle on cryptocurrencies because of their potential use for criminal activity but we're fast heading towards governments trying to do the same before they find themselves unable to collect taxes. Most would probably agree with the same approach, let them figure it out for themselves or, more likely, pay someone to do the job for them.

So on the one hand we have the FBI making use of things like blockchain data mining services and the logical progression of governments using commercial blockchain solutions specialists to solve their taxation problems. On the other hand law enforcement could be actively engaging with the community (that might sound stupid but Camo just applied for the job and many more would likely volunteer if helping them with understanding crypto could also mean helping them understand the difference between 'wrong' and 'unlawful') and the same communities helping governments understand their problems with taxation.

Anyone questioning why the hell anyone would want to help tax gatherers should instead question their perspective on taxes, anyone in their right mind would question them as they are but very few would question them if they where applied correctly and who would you trust more to figure out the right way of applying them, the communities that worked out cryptocurrencies or the usual companies governments turn to for financial solutions?

 

[Super8]

I'm quite convinced that not having any relation with FBI is the way to go. Remember FBI is not a regulator, is law enforcement.

Maybe so... (semantically) - However, law enforcement = government = regulators etc. etc..

That said however, I do totally respect your view.

Cheers.

 

[camosoul]

Remember FBI is not a regulator, is law enforcement.

That is a distinction without a difference, but does not play to the issue at hand.

You hold no cards to give them. So, you can't lose anything by associating with them.

Which means the circumstance can have only:

1) nothing
2) helpful results, even if vanishingly minor

Look at it this way... When other tentacles of the great beast that is government start talking shit about DASH, you'll have this "close relationship" with the FBI... "They" can't make up bullshit, or the FBI would be on the hook for not ever having done anything about "the problem" prior. The FBI will have to cover their asses by calling out the FUD. This is the only time you can actually win against government; forcing it to call itself out. The only way "out" would be to declare the FBI hopelessly incompetent, may as well dismantle the whole agency...

So...

No possible negative because all your cards are already on the table. All you can really give them is a guided tour of what is already there.
By being friendly, you're essentially recruiting them as a future advocate by their own request... They would be in a position where they had to refute future FUD on your behalf, or look like complete fools.

My initial reaction was out of hate for their very existence... But even I can admit there are potential advantages with no possible downside...

Dipshit Politician: "DASH IS INTERNET DEVIL MONEY!!! TERRORISM! RACISM!"
DASH: "The FBI doesn't seem to think so. We've been hanging out for a while..."

That looks a lot better than

Dipshit Politician: "DASH IS INTERNET DEVIL MONEY!!! TERRORISM! RACISM!"
DASH: "Nuh UH!!! Cult of Evan is not Cult of Evan!"

With so many dipshit politicians and talking heads making asses of themselves in exactly this fashion, you could ride the "cried wolf" effect, too...

I wouldn't trust the FBI any further than I could throw it. I hate the shit out of them. I'd like to see them all get nuked. But, you don't have any cards up your sleeve... It's all open source, so what could you lose? They love to say "If you have nothing to hide..." And since you don't have anything to hide, you can play that game and still not lose...

You could even make press releases directly to them, keeping them up to date on advancements... It's totally useless, but they're the ones that asked, and it looks good...

It seems like a missed opportunity now that I think about it.