999 DASH STOLEN

Name3 said:
We can't be gifting to people who lost their money. In the past, I've had two full masternodes taken from me by a hacker, granted this was before the treasury existed. Should I get my 2000 dash also?

By gifting to one person we set a dangerous precedent. Also this is not at all the point of the treasury.
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Man I had just bought back a masternode in October after the profit I made last year, dollar cost averaged about 180k USD, I think 2000 dash before the treasury would be under 20k usd if not 10k. Anyway I think it may be worth it to ask the question to the MN question.
 
Antti Kaikkonen said:
The stolen funds went into mixing the same day (Oct. 20). So I don't think there is much hope of tracing them
xkcd said:
@fedpyramid I am going to go way out on limb and put forward an idea and ask that people mark my post with a green tick if they support or a red x if they do not. Firstly, your funds are now being mixed and almost certainly sold on exchanges, or shapeshifted and are likely unrecoverable. Any kind of intervention at this stage would impact innocent people that inadvertanly bought coins from a mixing session that contain some of your coins. Basically, the money is good as gone. So the proposal I have is this.

Would the community support creating a treasury proposal to 'gift' you 999 DASH out of the treasury in next month's Supeblock? Vote Green Tick YES, or Red X NO.

This wont punish the thief, he still gets away with it, but it at least makes you whole again.
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Well I think this makes a really interesting proposal in where we are as a community, I’m trying to think out of the box and I appreciate the suggestion you make. How do I go about making a proposal to the community??
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xkcd said:
@fedpyramid I am going to go way out on limb and put forward an idea and ask that people mark my post with a green tick if they support or a red x if they do not. Firstly, your funds are now being mixed and almost certainly sold on exchanges, or shapeshifted and are likely unrecoverable. Any kind of intervention at this stage would impact innocent people that inadvertanly bought coins from a mixing session that contain some of your coins. Basically, the money is good as gone. So the proposal I have is this.

Would the community support creating a treasury proposal to 'gift' you 999 DASH out of the treasury in next month's Supeblock? Vote Green Tick YES, or Red X NO.

This wont punish the thief, he still gets away with it, but it at least makes you whole again.
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Well I would encourage Masternode operators to sit back and think if they had there MN stolen and they lost all that capital and are not making the 10 to 11k USD a year passive income they would be as gutted as I am. Its interesting how people don't give a ****, I have been inadvertently impacted and to a certain degree nieve but I'm also innocent. This is really something to witness
 
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Reverting the transaction isn't really even technically possible without rolling back a lot of transactions, because the stolen funds were moved and mixed with other people. Doing this would negatively affect a lot of people and businesses. Imagine buying Dash on an exchange and then finding out that your transaction on the blockchain was reversed and you are left with nothing. In the case of the Ethereum DAO hack it was only possible because the funds were locked in the smart contract for a certain period of time.
 
fedpyramid said:
Well I would encourage Masternode operators to sit back and think if they had there MN stolen and they lost all that capital and are not making the 10 to 11k USD a year passive income they would be as gutted as I am. Its interesting how people don't give a ****, I have been inadvertently impacted and to a certain degree nieve but I'm also innocent. This is really something to witness
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It is possible to still have empathy for someone while at the same time realizing that there is no solution at the protocol-level that would be acceptable to remedy this. It is very regrettable, but there are many others who have also lost significant amounts of Dash to hackers in the past, and certainly there will be many others in the future.
Have you been able to get in touch with a professional private investigator or attorney who might be able to assist you? The Dash community can be very resourceful, but I think that the Dash community is not the most well-equipped to help you with this, other than to direct you to experts in the field that you can work with one-on-one.
 
colofi said:
What do you mean? How flat fee usernames can solve this problem?
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I was saying, there will be many events like this, forever, if dash goes ahead with DIP 5 Blockchain Usernames. Names like "IRS", "Admin" and numerous others will be sucked up. Although they are not free, they will be affordable and the only price discovery will be after the fact (re-sale). Educating the masses, telling them that "Admin" is not admin, will be a very expensive process. IMO, DIP 5 in it's current form will cause irreparable damage to dash's reputation.

"Someone on discord has posed as mocowmoo and stolen 999 dash from my dashcore wallet"​

We need to put the brakes on DIP 5, it must not go ahead in it's current form.
 
colofi said:
Exactly. In case the thief decides to exit the Dash universe, he will be caught by the KYC of the exchange.
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do not hold your breath
if he is clever enough he will split this up , convert to other currencies and exit with no issues (unfortunately)
 
colofi said:
What do you mean split up?
If the thief exits the Dash Universe by using two or more names, these names will also be caught by the KYC of the exchanges.
So the first thing to do is to expand the graph of @Antti Kaikkonen and spot the exit points.
Of course in such cases of emergency, the community should react ASAP and should not remain pasive.
Unfortunately nobody cares for the pain of the other. Until the pain hits you.
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everybody cares
as everybody is scared it will happen to him / her one day !
999 dash is a ton of money - so i suggest to hire a professional cyber security guy to track this down !
do NOT count on the community to sort this out for you - that is not their job - u are your own bank !
“splitting up” = send 20 dash here / send 50 dash there / ....
in theory u are right , but tbh there are still enough exit holes without kyc available !
 
I had same fraud experience yesterday but fortunately I was more suspicious then fedpyramid and did not send to scamer what he wants. After I said that he tries to scam me he Immediately deleted user and conversation.
After that, I started to think what should we do to prevent this type of fraud.
And I remember that SRTAR discord has a phone number confirmation to unlock write in its rooms. Could we do something similar in our channel? That will link users to real phone numbers and real parsons and will expose scammers.
 
olymp said:
And I remember that SRTAR discord has a phone number confirmation to unlock write in its rooms. Could we do something similar in our channel? That will link users to real phone numbers and real parsons and will expose scammers.
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doubt that would work
burner phones and all ;)
 
tungfa said:
everybody cares
as everybody is scared it will happen to him / her one day !
999 dash is a ton of money - so i suggest to hire a professional cyber security guy to track this down !
do NOT count on the community to sort this out for you - that is not their job - u are your own bank !
“splitting up” = send 20 dash here / send 50 dash there / ....
in theory u are right , but tbh there are still enough exit holes without kyc available !
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I’ve rang 6 private investigators in Australia none have can help, I also contacted private investigator in NYC specialising in fraud they are too busy to help, I’ve called a forensic computer scientist and he doesn’t understand blockchain. I’m working with authorities in Australia but they seem to be overwhelmed a busy with other cases.

As a community should we have people that are at leased interested on the developments of stolen funds. I lost 90000 iota in January and the community have a German investigator that has frozen the funds in a bitfinex exchange account. There is also a dedicated person tasked with the recovery of the stolen funds.

We are on the 6th day and ticking here, can someone recommend someone in this community to give me technical help. We all don’t know code or know how to track alphanumeric addresses here that are participating. If this was PayPal Western Union or Goldman Sachs (all centralised Dionasaurs I know!) they would have a duty of care to reach out and report incidents to authorities as well. At least the iota community has done that. Here there seems to be group think, and passivity in just encouraging me to believe this hacker is going to exit the stolen funds without a trace and I need to sit down and accept it.

Every comment that pretty much encourages me to be passive and accept thing gets 7 likes. Also tungfa you helped me with a wallet dat issue back in 2016 via Skype that I had, you helped me tremendously because you could, obviously community members can’t help reverse a transaction I know this. I defend the immutability of all blockchains but as a network given the circumstance there is no procedures and no internal reporting mechanism to help people that have lost funds.
 
fedpyramid said:
I’ve rang 6 private investigators in Australia none have can help, I also contacted private investigator in NYC specialising in fraud they are too busy to help, I’ve called a forensic computer scientist and he doesn’t understand blockchain. I’m working with authorities in Australia but they seem to be overwhelmed a busy with other cases.

As a community should we have people that are at leased interested on the developments of stolen funds. I lost 90000 iota in January and the community have a German investigator that has frozen the funds in a bitfinex exchange account. There is also a dedicated person tasked with the recovery of the stolen funds.

We are on the 6th day and ticking here, can someone recommend someone in this community to give me technical help. We all don’t know code or know how to track alphanumeric addresses here that are participating. If this was PayPal Western Union or Goldman Sachs (all centralised Dionasaurs I know!) they would have a duty of care to reach out and report incidents to authorities as well. At least the iota community has done that. Here there seems to be group think, and passivity in just encouraging me to believe this hacker is going to exit the stolen funds without a trace and I need to sit down and accept it.

Every comment that pretty much encourages me to be passive and accept thing gets 7 likes. Also tungfa you helped me with a wallet dat issue back in 2016 via Skype that I had, you helped me tremendously because you could, obviously community members can’t help reverse a transaction I know this. I defend the immutability of all blockchains but as a network given the circumstance there is no procedures and no internal reporting mechanism to help people that have lost funds.
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those german investigators you mentioned, did you contact them ?

nobody is encouraging u to give up on this, i would not (give up)!
ether to catch those bastards or to make a point for yourself that u 100% tried to recover the loss !
hang in there
sorry , i am personally not good enough in tracking things like that !
i pm'ed u a very good contact
keep me posted how that goes
god's speed and good luck !
 
tungfa said:
those german investigators you mentioned, did you contact them ?

nobody is encouraging u to give up on this, i would not (give up)!
ether to catch those bastards or to make a point for yourself that u 100% tried to recover the loss !
hang in there
sorry , i am personally not good enough in tracking things like that !
i pm'ed u a very good contact
keep me posted how that goes
god's speed and good luck !
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Your right I’ll keep moving forward the best I can
 
... especially when those random people only have two posts ever, both of their posts promote the same "service", and one always "confirms" (a.k.a shills for) the other.

To be more blunt, don't trust @olliesmith and @david samuel 's recommendation above.
 
An alternative way to protect people in such cases, is to increase the number of days that a checkpoint occurs.

The checkoints are used in order to prevent the revert of the blockchain if you hold more than 50% CPU (than can become more than 50% of the votes in the case of DASH)

The checkpoint is hardcoded set to 1 day into the code. Why not set this checkpoint initial value into 3 days? That way the majority (50%+1) could vote, revert the blockchain and thus protect an individual who has been robbed by crackers.

Someone has to put a proposal about it, into the Dash budget system.
 
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