crowning
Well-known member
Darkcoin uses TCP only.
Which Masternode model should we implement?
- Thread starter eduffield
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Darkcoin uses TCP only.
tx for all your posts
super interesting !
(I am not a coder at all and just try to understand some general things)
so the relays we have now for TOR (we need 8 to get this really moving) are the once who can help to connect MN's inside the onion ? as they relay to the outside (surface web) ?
is that correct ?
(sorry for the dummy question)
Edit:
I agree that evan should concentrate on DS and IX
but that does not mean that a team (or some community members ) can look into this and start the process / adoption
I tagged you in another thread already where some pieps are working on this.
as in general "DRK is not promoting the DarkNet" but I agree it would give us huge leverage for that community if we run MNs over the Onion + are more active in that community.
vertoe started some post regarding updating red dots and hide wiki and such , I am trying to help him out where I can and it would be great to have more (knowledgable ) people involfed
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drkhouse
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i think complete anonymity is not required. What is required is some level of anonymity so that geeks or agencys can't locate you or your hot wallet so the funds remain safe...
moli
Well-known member
I don't know much about Tor and the Tor hidden services, but Freenode has its own Tor hidden services and exit nodes. I think some of their servers use Tor and some don't, and they let users who do use their Tor hidden services or not still can log on their servers. And I've seen Freenode ddosed over and over but the botnets can never take it down for long.
Here's the link about Freenode Tor hidden services if anyone wants to read: https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
I might be totally off here but I'm thinking if there's a way for Evan to create DRK own Tor hidden services, allow Masternode owners to have a choice to use Tor if they want anonymity, and also allow DRK users to have the same choice. It would be nice to have a network with both Tor-hidden-services and no-Tor-hidden-services mechanisms.
eduffield
Guys, I was just wondering how this affects the plans for obfuscation of the final user's ip when sending coins? Is this unrelated to the multipath technology that had been discussed to obfuscate the ip of a computer that was sending a payment?
For now I agree with option 1 with regards to masternode operators, specially because as an operator you earn a reward. I suspect these are two distinct things and IP obfuscation for the end user is something we will still do?
Guys, I was just wondering how this affects the plans for obfuscation of the final user's ip when sending coins? Is this unrelated to the multipath technology that had been discussed to obfuscate the ip of a computer that was sending a payment?
For now I agree with option 1 with regards to masternode operators, specially because as an operator you earn a reward. I suspect these are two distinct things and IP obfuscation for the end user is something we will still do?
JGCMiner
Active member
Really curious about this as I posted something similar a few pages back. I consider IP obfuscation for the end user when sending coins a key part of Darkcoin's privacy (IMO, nearly to the same level as Darksend) and it would suck if option 1 precluded this. What say you, Evan?
eduffield
Core Developer
Nope, that's completely separate.
Great! Perfect then I am all for option 1.
darkstrike420
Active member
I am sure both Freenode clearnet and freenode hidden service are hosted on the same computer using the same IP address so criminals have the clearnet ip address thus Tor provides absolutely no ddos protection.
Entirely possible. Just add a check for client for the masternode address, if it ends with .onion then connect with Tor otherwise connect without Tor.
darkstrike420
Active member
I also want to hear a real argument, not the following bs:
The only big problem with plain IP addresses is that people know YOU are using Darkcoin. If Darkcoin becomes illegal then that will be enough proof to start a criminal investigation on you and make you fines or even worse maybe jail time.
oblox
Well-known member
Maybe this was addressed in here, but wouldn't there be potential forking issues if some of the masternode network was on clearnet and the remainder on tor/i2p (as a result of not being able to see each other/miners selecting winners)? It would either be an all or none for the network, right?
Belarus bans Tor tomorrow. Russia is next. Who is next after Russia?..
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/02/25/belarus-bans-tor-and-other-anonymizers/
https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/25/belarus-bans-tor
So even using Tor will be illegal here (and who knows where else) and "they" know about Tor already while I hardly believe "they" know smth about Darkcoin (yet). There are talks about banning VPN too but this will mean death to IT-industry so it will take some time...
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Wow, that's really scary. I hope the people fight back against these tyrants! Whatever it takes... I wonder how they would feel if someone tried to take their personal freedoms away... I really hope its a serious thought in a lot of peoples minds over there. It only takes a few people to change the course of history, look at how much people like Aaron Swartz did for the world, defeating government lobbied attempts to essentially destroy the internet and attack freedom itself. I think its a responsibility to ourselves and the world to stand up for what is right when it is challenged by those who are not. And who are not in the right, whatever they might think of themselves...
This kind of dictatorial abuse of power is not right, but its nothing new. Our own present liberties that we were born with have already been degraded in our lifetime, we are less free than we would have been 30 years ago in many regards. (as Milton Friedman would likely agree)
This abuse of power has been going on for as long as human history can recollect. People who have or take power and try to take essential freedoms away from others. The good news is it never lasts forever and their fall is often spectacular. Its usually around the time when they get paranoid and changed by power, consumed by greed, which in the cloud of corruption leads them to the most foolish of actions because of their petty personal fear.
This is a sign they are on their way out, because in their very inability to succeed in their attempts of removing freedom and will from people, they show how weak and petty they really are, how scared they are and incapable of doing the right thing even when faced with the fact of their own inefficacy. Out of fear... The fear of being called out for what they really are and losing their place in the world, because they also know that their fall will be spectacular, somewhere deep down ingrained in truth, the nightmare of their dreams.
For freedom has a way of shining through the most opaque of lies bringing to light their weakness, the weaknesses of those who would dare challenge freedom and the light of love.
Their attack on freedom, a trumpet for my heart!
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GermanRed+
Active member
How does i2pd sound here? It is i2p re-written in C++. Would that be a good starting point for darkcoin?
darkstrike420
Active member
I think it would be much better at the moment to go with the Java version. Its much more mature.
It seems I2P is currently the only choice for Darkcoin. Its peer-to-peer just like Darkcoin.
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MangledBlue
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GermanRed+
Active member
Not to criticize you. However, I want to point out that you sound like Tor is going to solve everything automatically. However, as we know, even Flash in a browser needs to be disabled in order for Tor to work without leaking information that may be useful for NSA. So, I think taking the minimal part of Tor that will make it work on darkcoin network will be the better way to go since it also ease the pain for users who would need to set up Tor.
