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Stupids and Spies bought masternodes in order to stop governance.

Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?

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juliomoros said:
What part of KIDNAPPING wasn't clear? Showing up in a "Masternodes" event is way worse than giving your ID card or Social Number. It may be safe in your country, but it isn't everywhere in the world. You can be followed or arrested after the event, and you're done!
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juliomoros said:
What IF the number of atendees and number of papers doesn't match? An electoral process with a physical "ballot box" is a centralized process. Who's going to be in charge? Why should we trust them?
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Let me asnwer your above questions.

Its not a masternodes event. It is an empty_dash_wallet holders event. There is no kidnapping risk! You are among ordinary people who are not masternodes, and who may attend the same meeting in order to get their universal dividend. There is not ID card or Social Number required. And it is totaly safe, as long as you do not advertise eponymously (in your everyday life or in the internet) that you own a masternode . But even in the case you did the mistake and everybody knows that you are a masternode owner, the cryptoparty procedure allows you to appear masked, so you are safe that way (as long as, of course, you are not the only one masked and there are many other masked people that attend the same cryptoparty).

You will not attend the cryptoparty with your private keys! You participate by having several empty_wallets (their public keys) printed in QRcode. During the cryptoparty (which takes place in a closed door room where nobody is allowed to leave until the procedure ends) everyone puts one QRcode wallet in an envelope and then the envelope into a physical ballot box. Then all the wallets are extracted from the ballot box, they are counted, scanned, added in a digital list, and their number is expected of course to be found equal to the number of the attendees. If someone objects that the list of wallets is not equal to the number of attendees, or if he claims that his wallet is not into the list, then the voting is repeated, and until nobody objects (due to the possibility of voting repetition, everyone should have more than one printed QRcode wallets pre-created, so that he can re-vote in case an objection occurs). Finally, when there is no objection, everyone receives the final list of the valid wallets, the door opens and the cryptoparty finishes. All the wallets that are contained in the final valid list, can be considered now as a proof of individuality, that can be used online in the internet. And as long as every single attendee is allowed to object, this is considered as a decentralized (and unanimous) process, isn't it?

For even more decentralization, many similar cryptoparties may be organized in several towns, as long as those cryptoparties are absolutely concurrent, and a web of trust among cryptoparties is established so that all the wallet lists of all the cryptoparties are recognized as proof of individuality. A web of trust among cryptoparties means that all the attendees of a specific cryptoparty sign whatever else cryptoparty they trust it is legitimate. This multi-signature may occur immediately after the creation of the final valid list of wallets, and just before the door opens.

Having your proof of individuality (I remind that you put it into the ballot box, so it is anonymized), you can now claim anonymously in the internet your masternodes, by signing the dash addresses of your masternodes with the private key of your empty_dash_address which you put in the ballot box, during the cryptoparty.


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There is no proof you have any skin in the game @demo.
Due to your inflammatory style of posting I am not sure if you aren't the exact type of person you like to complain about.
As for "masternode spies and stupids", the number of masternodes hasn't really increased all that much since we were still at less than $10. Do you think the "spies and stupids" were already infiltrating Dash then or do you think oldfags have sold out and newfags have come online?
 
Acedian said:
There is no proof you have any skin in the game @demo.
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The only proof is my word. This is my whole skin.
Acedian said:
Due to your inflammatory style of posting I am not sure if you aren't the exact type of person you like to complain about.
As for "masternode spies and stupids", the number of masternodes hasn't really increased all that much since we were still at less than $10.
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The number of masternodes will never increase. It is fixed maximum 10000, and this upper limit is designed/imposed by the spies.
Acedian said:
Do you think the "spies and stupids" were already infiltrating Dash then or do you think oldfags have sold out and newfags have come online?
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Both cases may be valid.

<vote history>
Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?
*yes 3 vote(s) 18.8% , no 11 vote(s) 68.8%, other 1 vote(s) 6.3%, Proof of potato(e). 1 vote(s) 6.3%
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I like your answer, demo! It seems that you're working on the design of a system and dealing with all the troubles it involves.

However, your improved procedure still has some safety bugs:

1.- If the public key does not hold the 1000 dashes, then anybody can issue several public keys and pay to several guys (not necessarily related to dash) to deposit different envelopes. Then, a single guy (the owner of several masternodes) can later claim a separated identity for each public key. (It means that your procedure is vulnerable to a sybil attack)

2.- Your checking procedure may fall in an endless loop of objections. It's something very creepy regarding that nobody can leave until the procedure ends. A crypto-party with masked people?... Sounds scary!... Resembles me the movie "eyes wide shut"

The "proof of Identity" has been a riddle in all descentralized designs, and never has had a satisfactory solutio n. If I were you, I'd would look in the PGP system, and the previous history of attempts to solve it. But Proof of ID may not be the target for what you're looking for. I mean, all this effort may not give the outcome you expect. I just say.
 
juliomoros said:
I like your answer, demo! It seems that you're working on the design of a system and dealing with all the troubles it involves.

However, your improved procedure still has some safety bugs:

1.- If the public key does not hold the 1000 dashes, then anybody can issue several public keys and pay to several guys (not necessarily related to dash) to deposit different envelopes. Then, a single guy (the owner of several masternodes) can later claim a separated identity for each public key. (It means that your procedure is vulnerable to a sybil attack)
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The guy who is the owner of several masternodes and wants to hide has to pay his puppets more than the universal dividend. Otherwise why the puppets to give them their wallet? Do you think you can find someone who can pay the people more than the universal dividend? I dont think so! And how many puppets can he pay? He has to be very very rich in order for his sybil attack to have a real impact, but if he so rich then in that case he owns the cryptocurrency anyway! Of course everything depends on how big the dividend is. Offering a decent dividend is not only a philanthropy, it is also a safety measure in order to prevent the coin for being compromised. And lets suppose that someone succeds in his sybil Attack and manages to buy many proof of individuality. What is the real impact? All his puppets will vote identicaly, so the statistics will still reveal that they are puppets! And he owns those proof of individuality not forever but until the next cryptoparty, which whenever it happens (for example after 2 years) will result in paying the puppets again.

juliomoros said:
2.- Your checking procedure may fall in an endless loop of objections. It's something very creepy regarding that nobody can leave until the procedure ends.
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"Nobody can leave" means that if someone leaves, the procedure is repeated! Leaving in the middle of the procedure is considered as a type of objection. And It is not an endless loop of objections. If someone objects too many times, they can throw him out of the room! The proof of individuality remains for those who are inside the room. Of course the one who is out of the room will sign that the cryptoparty was not appropriate. And the rest cryptoparties that occur simultaneously around the globe, they will judge the testimony of the persecuted accordingly, and sign or not sign the cryptoparty where this incident occured. There can be a camera in every cryptoparty after all, as long as people can be masked! If such an incident occurs, and before throwing the guy out of the room, the attendees can wear their masks and open the camera, for the incident to be recorded live and for the other cryptoparties to see and judge whats going on.

juliomoros said:
A crypto-party with masked people?... Sounds scary!... Resembles me the movie "eyes wide shut"
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It may look like "eyes wide shut" but it may also look like this.
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So have events for people put empty wallets in a box how do we prevent people from going to multiple events or going to the same event multiple times?
Are we looking for a list of dash users I see how bad actors can cause issues with this method more so the requiring 1000 dash being owned to vote.
 
Ftoole said:
So have events for people put empty wallets in a box how do we prevent people from going to multiple events or going to the same event multiple times?
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It is impossible for people to go to multiple events or go to the same event multiple times.
Because all the events are closed door events, they happen the exact same time, and their proceedings are broadcasted in the internet with a camera. Additionally, just before the event ends and the doors open again, a web of trust among separate events is created and signed. All the attendees of all events share a common total amount of money (as basic income), so there is great incentive for the attendees of all events not to sign other events that are not appropriate.

The concurrency of events may have an exception, if we talk about events happen in separate continents (ex. Asia and America). In that case the events may happen in such a difference of time that it will be impossible for an individual to attend two events.
Ftoole said:
Are we looking for a list of dash users I see how bad actors can cause issues with this method more so the requiring 1000 dash being owned to vote.
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Everyone is marked as individual (while remain anonymous). So the community knows the individuals, and can take measures against bad individual actors, in case they over do it.

<vote history>
Would you like a proof of individuality for the Dash community?
*yes 4 vote(s) 16.7%
no 16 vote(s) 66.7%
other 1 vote(s) 4.2%
Proof of potato(e). 3 vote(s) 12.5%
</vote history>
 
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