Pre-Proposal : Dash to fund followmyvote
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qwizzie
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good idea.. thanks
It's not an assumption, it's a demonstration of how the current Proof of Stake system works in dash. Eventually (soon?) all the MNs that could possibly exist will be reached (5000 something?) and then what? Those receiving a greater dividend could spend it elsewhere, or they could just buy out other nodes at a faster rate than others. It's just a math thing, it's got nothing to do with personal wishes.
Okay, you need to study the link demo provided before you start talking about centralisation. Compared to nearly everyone else here, you'll find I'm very committed to the ideas of decentralisation. If you want to complain about centralisation, ask about Evan's wishes for centralised "backup servers", or the offices, or the Google apps used, or the US legal team, the PR or compliance companies... or let's talk about sporks that were never voted on...[/QUOTE]
lynx
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Actually, there is something useful. We could use it to anonymise votes so that a particular MN can't be linked with a particular vote.
lynx
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Anyone receiving dividends from anywhere (or any other income/savings) could buy dash and create masternodes at a faster rate than others.
I did study the link, the followmyvote dude said the voter reveals his identity to an ID verifier in order to qualify for voting. Since you guys didn't mention http://proofofindividuality.tk/ anywhere prior to my post, I assumed it was a centralized solution. And I complain about core centralization ideas as well.
Actually, I think it is important, since it has become clear that you don't just want to record votes, you want to "fix" Dash's governance, by giving one vote per person regardless of stake. An army of idiots with 2 cents each could destroy Dash out of malice or stupidity.
demo
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Read the question of the poll: "Would you like Dash to fund followmyvote in order they put all the votes of Dash into the blockhain?"
Let me make it clear once again. This poll is NOT about vote actors. It is only about tranferring the (existing) budget voting system of Dash into the blockchain.
If you want to discuss whether the "one person-one vote" is a good practice or not, or if you want to discuss who may be the best suitable actor in order to vote for Dash, or you want to discuss any other aspect of the new term "programmable governance" (term coined by @jarroyo), please do it here.
This is your personal belief, but you have no proof of your claims. What you claim can be proved only in the case all the votes of all the actors are recorded. So please stop believing, and start knowing.
<vote history>
Would you like Dash to fund followmyvote in order they put all the votes of Dash into the blockhain?
* yes 5 vote(s) 41.7%
no 6 vote(s) 50.0%
other 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Potato to the poll so I can answer. 0 vote(s) 0.0%
just peek into their software and see if we find something usefull for Dash 1 vote(s) 8.3%
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demo
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The whimsical world of unanimity....
Please stop dreaming and come to reality. There is no unanimity. There has never been and never will be (in this world).What if the majority (50%+1) of the masternodes decide to delete the votes of one single masternode? They can do this as long as the votes are simply recorded into an rdbms database. How can a single masternode protect his voting rights, if his vote is not (in an immutable way) recorded into the blockchain?
The (immutable) blockchain is suitable in order to protect the voting rights of the minorities.
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Yes indeed, but that's an external factor that would always exist. Must we consider a USD -> Dash purchase to prove entitlement to a fair vote in dash? - so now the power to vote is not based on dash but based on a "useless" fiat currency that just happens to buy someone a commanding stake? Must we grant power to be President only to those with money? - or those elected by the people?
You see, I think maybe there is a separation between dividend entitlement (more money in = more dividend out) and the power to vote where the intended audience is meant to be universal, for everyone.
I'm definitely not being all socialist about this but I am convinced that the only way to be successful in crypto is by being relevant.. and ultimately that means everyone who uses it must feel they are a part of a fair process.
Anyway, at least we agree in decentralisation.
lynx
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@GrandMasterDash
Granting voting power to everyone is why most of us are forced to use crappy fiat money in the first place. "The people" always demand a free lunch, much like you are doing now.
You can't grant power to people that have no responsibility, pardon the cliché. Why grant votes to someone that has nothing to lose if Dash fails?
Granting voting power to everyone is why most of us are forced to use crappy fiat money in the first place. "The people" always demand a free lunch, much like you are doing now.
You can't grant power to people that have no responsibility, pardon the cliché. Why grant votes to someone that has nothing to lose if Dash fails?
Nope, I've definitely only said end users. Do you think excluding end users will instil faith? Do you think the New Geek Bankers should rule the world? It was the control of a few that gave us the mess we have now. But I can understand how scary it might be to trust the people when you're not used to it.
I think many people here are thinking dash is a business. Well, if that's the case then you have to accept that in business there are winners and losers. To be a winner there has to be a minority screwing the majority.. is that what dash is? - we just need a way to screw the end users for everything they've got, to make MNOs dirty rich? Is that a currency? - or a store of value? - or a parasite?
I'm wasting my breath here...
I'm wasting my breath here...
lynx
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Makes no difference. Everyone that has a Dash wallet is an end user, it might as well be everyone in the world.
No corporation in the world lets their end users / costumers directly decide how they are run. And yes, we are a business. Decentralized, autonomous, but a business nonetheless. We provide a product that people are free to use or not to use according to the value they perceive in it. We don't deceive anyone, it is pretty clear on dash.org where mined dash goes and that masternodes provide the governance. And it's not a closed club, either, anyone can own a masternode. There are no winners or losers, every voluntary transaction benefits both parties, or they just wouldn't take place.
Haha, you actually think it's possible that everyone in the world will want and have a dash wallet!! omg!
"No corporation in the world..." ... there you go, now the term "DAO" has gone to your head because basically your mission is simply marketcap and dividends. Thank God I stopped putting money into dash. There is no way in this universe or any other that dash is going to reach the lofty goals you have... but considering no one else is challenging you, I do think there are plenty of people here thinking just like you. You're not here to innovate or replace a Federal Reserve.. totally explains the lack of pushback to compliance... yet strangely you claim to be against centralisation... seems to me you're more than happy to accept centralisation for the sake of being a corporation with profits.
Maybe so but where is the feedback loop to keep dash and it's end users aligned?
lynx
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You misunderstood me. I don't think the everyone in the world will use Dash. I meant that everyone in the world that wanted to vote on how Dash is run, could.
I totally am! We just have different views on how to do it. I for one don't think opening the gates of hell will do us any good.
End users having a voice are the gates of hell.. interesting
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