Dash Watch Pre-proposal

Thanks Splawik, Jamal, RGXDK, and masternube for the kind words.

@masternube I'm sure you could understand that the ongoing cost is very difficult to predict without us being up and running for the first 2-3 months and formalizing/standardizing all of our processes. That's why I said in the proposal I'd refrain from trying to estimate the ongoing cost until the appropriate time where it could be more accurately gauged.

It's possible that the application development may be largely complete after 3 months, but it's also possible that the community may want continuous improvements and new features added.

Regarding the outreach and updates on proposals, this work would likely be continuous and grow over time as the amount and complexity of proposals is expected to increase with our budget. We're asking for your patience in this regard in determining what the ongoing cost will be.
 
I understand that you can't predict the future, but I'd hate to see this be delivered and abandoned after a few months. So any indication you can give about the risk and opportunity to keep this up long term would be helpful.
Who would be keeping the database up to date? How much work is that per project? Is somebody committed to do it or would we have to find someone? Anything else you can come up with.
 
Thanks for the support qwizzie and others, I really appreciate it.

To assuage some of Masternube's concerns (who, as a new masternode, understandably doesn't know or trust me) without overwhelming the thread with lots of back and forth, we spoke extensively via private message. Here were the key points we discussed:

His biggest concern was upkeep of the website and data. There is a full-time developer who will continue working full-time on this project until the community's demands no longer require full-time work at which point he'll revert to part-time. There is another person working full-time to gather the data and ensure it is accurate and up-to-date along with me. There will also be countless community members able to submit changes to the database if they believe something is wrong or outdated which we will review and approve once verified.

Regarding the risk of abandonment, a core team member has access to the entire codebase, and the data in our database will be public on our website as well as through our APIs. In my eyes, we have every incentive to professionally maintain this website long-term as we are big believers significantly staked in Dash who will be getting compensated to do so, but the above-mentioned failsafe mechanisms are in place regardless.

Regarding predicting the ongoing cost of this project, we genuinely believe it would be misleading to quote a price until after we've been up and running for the first 3 months as the ongoing need for innovation and development of the platform will be one of the primary costs and it will depend on what the community wants. In addition, the amount of time we spend reaching out, communicating and documenting proposals is also difficult to accurately gauge until the process has been carried out extensively and standardized. Furthermore, the amount of detail that the masternodes would like us to provide on each proposal every month may increase or decrease over time which could significantly alter the amount of work required.

In short, because the community may or may not want continuous development of the platform and because both the number of proposals and the amount of information we provide on each may increase or decrease over time, we don't believe it's presently possible to accurately predict what the ongoing cost will be. We hope you understand and will give us the needed time to better determine this.

Please let me know if you have further questions
 
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Thanks paragon. It was always my intention to support this proposal. I just thought it would improve its chances to have clarity on these issues.
Thanks again for your time and good luck!
 
ichigo13 said:
It's funny actually because I had the same idea a few months ago but @paragon seems to be ahead of the game while also delivering something more polished and feature rich than what I could have done myself. Of course this is a yes from me as well.
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Frankly, to be a strong DAO we will need many groups doing the same thing. This type of project brings with it a lot of power. We eventually need multiples of every type of service such as this. So please do keep working on your idea. The hardest thing is to find people who are willing to step up to the plate and make something that we NEED :)

One last thing, it would be great to have an integrated Block explorer that can analyze how and where funds are being spent to correlate with the "books". This is something that needs to be created to keep corruption from setting in. It would be great if another group could make something like this that proposers are required to use to stay transparent with the network.
 
  1. What about tags? Who will be responsible to add tags to a proposal? Can the proposal owner define his own tags? I have made a pre-proposal for tags, which may be relevant.
  2. You also said that you are going to give to trustworthy people the ability to edit/rate in your database. Who are those trustworthy? How do you define "trustworthy" word? I dont trust the same people you trust. I want you to let me define in your database who I trust. And then let me see your database filtered in such a way so that only the ratings and the comments of the people I trust will be visible to me. Is this possible? Are you planning to implement something like this?
 
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Why didn't paragon post the link here himself?
How can we be sure it's indeed his proposal?
Has it even happened that someone else stole a pre-proposal and posted it as their own proposal?
 
masternube said:
Why didn't paragon post the link here himself?
How can we be sure it's indeed his proposal?
Has it even happened that someone else stole a pre-proposal and posted it as their own proposal?
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I got over excited, I helped paragon through the process of submitting the proposal and then posted here afterwards.

You can be sure when paragon confirms it.

I haven't heard of anyone stealing a pre-proposal, sounds like a great way to throw away 5 Dash.

You raise a good point though, I certainly should have waited for them to post it.
 
@masternube @solarguy and others Yes the proposal is officially live. I had to head out for a few hours after submitting, but thank you everyone for all the support so far, it's nice to know you also see the value in this work to both advance and protect Dash

Thank you again Syntheist for the guidance through the submission process
 
Hi dude,
Are you born to be slave that is why you don't have Masternode... Do you think those holding Masternode started today. It about focus and determination. I will one day own one MN
 
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UltimateCrypto said:
Hi dude,
Are you born to be slave that is why you don't have Masternode... Do you think those holding Masternode started today. It about being focused and determined.
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No No.

Those who believe that the greedy Dash generation of 2014-2016 deserves to hold most of the Dash money and most of the Masternodes.
Those who believe that money should be space and time dependant.
Those who believe that money belongs to the old generations and the new born should be enslaved to the old ones in order to gain it.
Those who believe that money is a religion or a property issued by a king, priest, president, god, old generation or satoshi.
Those who do not understand that money is a social convention.

Those are the born to be slaves, or the uneducated barbarians.
And you seem to be one of them...

 
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demo said:
  1. What about tags? Who will be responsible to add tags to a proposal? Can the proposal owner define his own tags? I have made a pre-proposal for tags, which may be relevant.
  2. You also said that you are going to give to trustworthy people the ability to edit/rate in your database. Who are those trustworthy? How do you define "trustworthy" word? I dont trust the same people you trust. I want you to let me define in your database who I trust. And then let me see your database filtered in such a way so that only the ratings and the comments of the people I trust will be visible to me. Is this possible? Are you planning to implement something like this?
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up

The stupid are bulding trusted system again!!
You are nacamoto's children you stupid! Remember your roots!!
 
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give to trustworthy people the ability to edit/rate in the database.
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https://news.bitcoin.com/the-satoshi-revolution-a-revolution-of-rising-expectations-chap1-part1/
The stupid are bulding trusted systems again!! You are nacamoto's children you stupid! Remember your roots!!

“The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that’s required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust. Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve. We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts.”
—Satoshi Nakamoto
 
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