Can we please get Dash's Roadmap page updated with the latest estimates?

[TroyDASH]

Since April 2017, name one significant release of all those 23 developers. A document, software, design layout...anything.

On another note, we only allocate $100k to Evolution but we sponsor MMA fighters, make conferences in 3rd world countries, make rain ponchos, fly around in Dash branded jets, sponsor debit cards that never get delivered and so on. Priorities much, masternode owners?

The core team has not asked for additional funding for developers. We cannot just throw money at the core team and expect them to hire 100 more developers and for it to be effective. When they need more developers they will ask for more funding. It is the responsibility of the core team on how to manage their growth, and it is the responsibility of the MNs to enable them to do so. Passing other budget proposals *does not in any way* limit core development funding when no one is asking for that funding.

 

[kot]

This is very good point @TroyDASH . It is easy to think that the project grew to the multi-million size but in fact this is only the value of coin increased. It is not easy to scale-up any organization in short period of time. Organizations and companies grow much slower than their value on charts.

E.g. hiring new people means that we need to define job profiles, hire recruiters, find new people on the market, make multiple interviews then hire them, onboard them and train. All of this is not happening in parallel reality - this has to be done by existing team members, which means they need to dedicate their time to do this. In consequence other activities are postponed.

The other thing is to prepare the organization for this rapid growth - we are not 7 guys on Slack anymore. Those are around 50 people (and growing) - these people come with expectation that we have clearly defined plans, jobs for them, tools, processes and procedures, established proper legal structures etc... Again - a lot of time and effort needs to be dedicated to prepare all of this. Coordination of such a big team is a different story

Meantime we do our usual work + conferences, promotion... It is big responsibility and huge effort.
To be honest - I am missing the time when I spent 2-3 hours a day on the forum talking to people. Now I am happy if I have 3-5 hours a month for this. The rest I spent at my desk, on the phone or in plane or on another conference. Things changed a lot...

 

[RGXDK]

It is not easy to scale-up any organization in short period of time.

I disagree: yes it is is and startups do it all the time. Suggestion: hire an HR manager + HR staff, or just outsource to an HR firm.

Notice how this is a catch 22 problem. Dash can't hire because it doesn't have people to do interview, hiring and training, and the reason is doesn't have people to do these things is because it hasn't hired enough. The solution is to hire enough people (or again just outsource it) until hiring people doesn't cause problems with the workflow of other departments.

 

[camosoul]

"You don't do shit".

I think the point is that you've shown us nothing to appreciate, we're asking, we'd love to, buy you give us a sugar coated "fuck off" instead.

I know full well what it is to have a workload needing attention, and not wasting your time talking to needy children that want their hands held with constant reassurances. If you do that, you don't get anything done.

But this totally reclusive "Believe me, it's gonna be so awesome, someday..." crap has worn on as the market whizzes past DASH in DASH's own prospects and ideas... Over 2 years now.

Can you show us something to prove any work at all has been done, and you haven't been bullshitting us with the broken DGBB money hose? Anything?

We'd love to shower you with praise and appreciation. But, you're not letting us. We don't like being grumpy. We'd rather go back to posting "to the moon" memes.

So, throw us a bone instead of more smoke and mirrors... Man up and be accountable. That's all we're asking. We want to be your biggest fans, but you're making it impossible. We're on the same team.

You want appreciation; show us something to appreciate. We're literally begging you for the opportunity to appreciate you.

Our appreciation would be meaningless if we handed it out like a participation trophy.

 

[kot]

@RGXDK
We have HR manager and recruiter. We drive the project for quite a while and gathered some experience in the industry. Connected with previous experience it works well.

I appreciate your suggestions, however things in reality tend to not happen so easy as typing posts on the forum .
In case you want to help, have great ideas and skills - we are recruiting. Feel free to send me your CV.

 

[camosoul]

This is very good point @TroyDASH . It is easy to think that the project grew to the multi-million size but in fact this is only the value of coin increased. It is not easy to scale-up any organization in short period of time. Organizations and companies grow much slower than their value on charts.

E.g. hiring new people means that we need to define job profiles, hire recruiters, find new people on the market, make multiple interviews then hire them, onboard them and train. All of this is not happening in parallel reality - this has to be done by existing team members, which means they need to dedicate their time to do this. In consequence other activities are postponed.

The other thing is to prepare the organization for this rapid growth - we are not 7 guys on Slack anymore. Those are around 50 people (and growing) - these people come with expectation that we have clearly defined plans, jobs for them, tools, processes and procedures, established proper legal structures etc... Again - a lot of time and effort needs to be dedicated to prepare all of this. Coordination of such a big team is a different story

Meantime we do our usual work + conferences, promotion... It is big responsibility and huge effort.
To be honest - I am missing the time when I spent 2-3 hours a day on the forum talking to people. Now I am happy if I have 3-5 hours a month for this. The rest I spent at my desk, on the phone or in plane or on another conference. Things changed a lot...

You're bogged-down in bullshit and not getting anything done...

You need less bullshit.

 

[camosoul]

In case you want to help, have great ideas and skills - we are recruiting. Feel free to send me your CV.

Were there anything I were qualified to help with, I would.

Were there a task needed doing for which I'm not qualified, I'd force myself to awkwardly get it done until I became good at it.

But, we both know the petty, nonsense reasons why "my kind" was backstabbed out of the room...

Don't play the "stop complaining and pitch in" card when you know damn well the dirty shit you've done to several people who offered.

 

[TroyDASH]

I disagree: yes it is is and startups do it all the time. Suggestion: hire an HR manager + HR staff, or just outsource to an HR firm.

Notice how this is a catch 22 problem. Dash can't hire because it doesn't have people to do interview, hiring and training, and the reason is doesn't have people to do these things is because it hasn't hired enough. The solution is to hire enough people (or again just outsource it) until hiring people doesn't cause problems with the workflow of other departments.

The HR issue was acknowledged and the team already started tackling it 10 months ago: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-admin-hr-consult.12870/

Kelly Kopp-Schuetz was hired as the HR director at least 4 months ago:
https://www.dashforcenews.com/my-big-takeaways-from-dash-core-team-q2-conference-call/
https://dash.org/team

A recruiter was hired a couple months ago: https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/...ager-integrations-engineer-ux-designer.17046/

Startup companies can grow quickly but we are talking a massive growth *already* in the dash team since April this year. Especially in a project like this where it is bleeding edge technology and the onboarding process is actually quite difficult compared to other types of jobs.

 

[kot]

@camosoul - it is so great to see you in usual (great) condition and mood

It has been a few years already... and you still try to convince everybody (including yourself) that the core team is the root of all evil and destroys the project... And we still deliver (btw - next release is coming ), Dash value grew incredibly last months and no destruction happened.
More - you are still here. There must be a reason why you are still with us .

 

[demo]

More - you are still here. There must be a reason why you are still with us .

It is simply the lesser of two evils principle.
"Δυοίν κακοίν προκειμένοιν, το μη χείρον βέλτιστον." - Plautus
"Of the two evils offered to you, choose the lesser."

You may also call it "Between Scylla and Charybdis".
By the way, Odysseus chose to go near Scylla (bitch) as the lesser of two evils.

What do you choose?

 

[camosoul]

@camosoul - it is so great to see you in usual (great) condition and mood

It has been a few years already... and you still try to convince everybody (including yourself) that the core team is the root of all evil and destroys the project... And we still deliver (btw - next release is coming ), Dash value grew incredibly last months and no destruction happened.
More - you are still here. There must be a reason why you are still with us .

I see your flair for hyperbole, exaggeration, and putting words in the mouths of others is still intact.

There are only two persons in "core" with whom I take issue, and the precise words I've used are "productive corruption." Not even close to "the root of all evil." As you yourself observe, I'm still here, so, clearly, your mis-characterization is bullshit. Of what, is posting on a forum proof?

It might be dirty, but at least it's going somewhere. Though, lately, the "going somewhere" part is possibly no longer true... As noted by your emphasis on the ponzi, the ponzi seems to have become the focus... Can't even get a ballpark on 12.3... I don't give two shits what the price is doing.

Don't lie about me.

Don't lie about what I've said.

Just like virtually every other crypto, DASH has ridden the recent wave. And look, the price tanks as everyone pumps into BTC for the 18th...

We both know the recent rise has nothing at all to do with DASH's developments. Look outside the echo chamber and see what's happening in the bigger picture.

DASH is still just another random abbreviation bobbing on the tide of much larger gateway projects.

Your attempt to portray it otherwise, and take credit for things that didn't even happen, much less done by DASH, is a disturbing red flag that core has lost it's way...

"Look! the ponzi we made (which had nothing to do with us)!" This is your supposedly clever retort...

Even if it were real (or clever), which it's not; clever retorts are not facts, and are not valid arguments.

Do you expect me to be fooled by this? Or have you fooled yourself?

 

[kot]

@camosoul - thanks this forum would be kind of boring without you. Seriously. You are a part of the "Dash folklore" to me...

 

[jimbursch]

Here is the latest project update from @kot :
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/project-portfolio-report.17424/#post-151882

Thanks @kot !