Basilpop, the Dash subreddit moderator, does not have the temperament to moderate that community.

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I have created a new forum users just because I don't want to link my Dash Forum account with my reddit one.


Basilpop does not have the temperament to moderate a Dash subreddit and I propose he is replaced by someone more patient, willing to help, and not so aggressive towards members.

It all started when this reddit user "MikeBam" posted some criticism about Bradley. I cannot link to the reddit post because this is a new user account, but just search for this on the dash subreddit.

Dash's Global Director of Business Development, Bradley Zastrow, has been in his position for almost 6 months now. He hasn't hired a single person for his team, and hasn't announced any integration or partnership. His updates are [redacted] or vague ("30+ conversations"). Is it time we do something?

Whether I agree with this post or not is not the point. Basilpop, dismissed the opinions of another member by calling him ignorant and an "outsider". I pointed out that just calling him ignorant doesn't help with anything and whether is is an "outsider" or not has no relevance to whether his opinions are true or false.

Long story short, I was banned.

I'll post the entire chat here for you to judge. I am very sad that someone like Basilpop is in a position and I hope he is removed. I would hope Dash would have moderators that don't judge members on whether they're new or not, that don't call them ignorant at all (especially without showing where they might be wrong) and that actually educates new users with all the real facts. Calmly.
Here is the chat in it's entirety.

Ask yourself if this is the sort of moderator you want for the Dash subreddit.

After this last reddit post he banned me, so I went to try and have a conversation with him via chat.

 

[Macrochip]

Well I don't care about linking Reddit to my forum profile as anyone who doesn't live under a rock knows I am said mod, so here goes.

It's interesting how you omit crucial information here. You make it look like you were banned for a simple disagreement. Let's look at a screenshot of the actual reason for the ban:

You claim r/dashpay moderators attack others on a regular basis. We have a rule on our subreddit which states that no user shall pass speculation as fact (Rule 6) and this is a heavy speculation/accusation that cannot remain unaddressed, so I requested you to back up that statement or face a temporary ban for subreddit-rule violation. You provided a single link to a single comment ("regular basis"?) in which objectively no ad-hominem took place as anyone can verify right here

I gave you another chance which you blew by insisting on the invalid example from before so the ban was enacted exactly as announced.

To give the community a full account of what happened, here's the thread that link was taken from, with emphasis and remarks (the rest speaks for itself):

Your behaviour previous to this incident was erratic as well to say the least. These are some of the repetitive comments I was referring to as "crusade" where you accuse anyone you disagree with of using "personal attacks" or "ad hominems" where none took place.

You seem like an oversensitive SJW snowflake to me with way too thin skin to ever use any internet message board at all.

I stand firmly by my decision.

 

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You seem like an oversensitive SJW snowflake to me with way too thin skin to ever use any internet message board at all.

I rest my case on the above.

Basilpop / Macrochip does not have the proper temperament to be a moderator. This is not the kind of person we want speaking on the behalf of the Dash community.

 

[Macrochip]

I rest my case on the above.

Basilpop / Macrochip does not have the proper temperament to be a moderator. This is not the kind of person we want speaking on the behalf of the Dash community.

So that's the best you've got? Proving my very point? How about you address the mountain of evidence I just presented against your claim of me banning you on a casual disagreement?

 

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According to Macrochip / Basilpop, calling a Dash subreddit member ignorant, outsider and "without the faintest idea" is not an ad-hominem attack because "he exhibited all of the characteristics."

Do we really want someone with this temperament managing the Dash community on reddit?
@amanda_b_johnson , @tungfa , @fernando , @Ryan Taylor, @TroyDASH, @ericsammons , @technoir

 

[Macrochip]

No it isn't because as I laid out clearly in another comment:

Saying "not much is going right in development or on the business end" is an objectively false statement, especially when we have rock solid evidence to the contrary posted as a sticky on the frontpage. So the statement is ignorant, he is an outsider as anyone can see by clicking the username and he indeed does not have any clue, because the falsehood of his statement is so easy to see. I do show respect to people who deserve it, not to people who attack Dash in their very first comment in here and he certainly is not a "member" of this community.

Stop cherrypicking and omitting.

 

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Another gem.

Macrochip / Basilpop now decides who is a member of the Dash community or not.

Imagine all the millions of dollars Dash spend on marketing and we now have this guy representing Dash's values and speaking on behalf of the community as a moderator.

 

[Macrochip]

I thought your case was resting? Thanks for repeating what I just posted though. *facepalm*

Edit:

I present

The Reasonable Person's Guide To Ad-Hominems:

The right half implies there's evidence to back up the term, the left half cannot reasonably be backed up by anything as the terms are plain insults.

If you disagree with that table, please explain in detail why.

 

[MizzyMax]

I have to comment as well. Personally got a lifetime ban today from basilpop because I said the word “moronic” to him on Reddit.

If 2 people getting bans in the same day are complaining I think it’s justifiable to say he’s using ad hominem attacks to keep his Reddit the way he personally likes it.

Both post stemmed in controversial topics. If you just visit the Reddit it’s mostly dead anyway. I’m assuming he banned all the active members.

 

[mikebam]

It happens to me today as well. A member insulted me first, then deleted his comments. @Macrochip / Basilpop gave the guy who started just a warning, but decided to ban me for 14 days.

I am banned for 14 days from DASHPAY reddit because I said the word "fuck". That's how I talk, surely a warning would suffice?

 

[TroyDASH]

The Reasonable Person's Guide To Ad-Hominems:

The right half implies there's evidence to back up the term, the left half cannot reasonably be backed up by anything as the terms are plain insults.

If you disagree with that table, please explain in detail why.

@randomalbum I'm not sure why you tagged me - I am a moderator on the discord, not reddit, and I have nothing to do with deciding who has moderator privileges on Reddit.

But, since you do seem to be asking for me to weigh in, I will say this. I disagree with @Macrochip's table above, in the sense that I think all 6 of the terms can be used as ad-hominems, and it is also possible for none of them to be ad-hominems. The ones on the left side are more rude and probably can't be evidenced. The ones on the right are more descriptive and potentially could be evidenced. However, whether or not describing a person in this way constitutes an ad-hominems depends on whether or not the description is being used in an argument.

Note the difference:
"He is an ignorant outsider, therefore his statement about Dash is wrong" would be an ad-hominem, because the premise is a description of the person and the conclusion does not follow.
"His statement about Dash is wrong, therefore he is an ignorant outsider" is not an ad-hominem because the description of the person is not being used as the premise of an argument.
"He is an ignorant outsider, and I am tired of retarded morons like him posting here" would also not be an ad-hominem, because there is no argument. However it would be a rude statement.

From what I am able to tell, what @Macrochip said was not an ad-hominem, in my opinion. But I am using the more formal definition of the term, not as it is sometimes used colloquially to be synonymous with "insult" or "unsubstantiated insult".

If you are asking me whether I would have responded in the same way that macrochip did, then I would say no. However, if you have a problem with the way the reddit is being moderated, then complaining to me or anyone else who isn't a subreddit administrator is unlikely to accomplish anything.

 

[MizzyMax]

It happens to me today as well. A member insulted me first, then deleted his comments. @Macrochip / Basilpop gave the guy who started just a warning, but decided to ban me for 14 days.

I am banned for 14 days from DASHPAY reddit because I said the word "fuck". That's how I talk, surely a warning would suffice?

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I got lifetime ban for saying “moronic” never had a warning or ban before that

 

[Macrochip]

I have to comment as well. Personally got a lifetime ban today from basilpop because I said the word “moronic” to him on Reddit.

If 2 people getting bans in the same day are complaining I think it’s justifiable to say he’s using ad hominem attacks to keep his Reddit the way he personally likes it.

Both post stemmed in controversial topics. If you just visit the Reddit it’s mostly dead anyway. I’m assuming he banned all the active members.

Why are you still here? Didn't you sell all your coins because the evil greedy Masternodes didn't want to share with you something you were never entitled to in the first place? Please don't try to make this about ad hominems as well, you were banned during an entirely different conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with this one.

You even had the audacity to ask why you were banned in the mod-mail. Are you serious?

It happens to me today as well. A member insulted me first, then deleted his comments. @Macrochip / Basilpop gave the guy who started just a warning, but decided to ban me for 14 days.

I am banned for 14 days from DASHPAY reddit because I said the word "fuck". That's how I talk, surely a warning would suffice?

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It's easy to make up anything if the other person deleted their comment, so nobody can independently assess what was actually said, isn't it?
I hereby testify that the user who deleted their comment did not directly insult anyone like mikebam did. The comment consisted of a faux resume from OP with silly qualifications like "advanced memery" and "basic concern troll tactics" and such stuff. No direct insult took place, hence the warning not to further provoke him anymore. The comment did not warrant a ban and despite me being unable to prove that now, you have to take my word and my past track record of honesty for it. I have no horse in this race and I don't care for either party in that debate. The rules are the rules and the only reason mikebam wasn't permanently banned was due to him being a mid-to-longterm community member, not some random nobody.

Btw: I thought you were going to publish our DM-conversation from Discord?? No worries, I'll do it for ya:

 

[MizzyMax]

Why are you still here? Didn't you sell all your coins because the evil greedy Masternodes didn't want to share with you something you were never entitled to in the first place? Please don't try to make this about ad hominems as well, you were banned during an entirely different conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with this one.

You even had the audacity to ask why you were banned in the mod-mail. Are you serious?



It's easy to make up anything if the other person deleted their comment, so nobody can independently assess what was actually said, isn't it?
I hereby testify that the user who deleted their comment did not directly insult anyone like mikebam did. The comment consisted of a faux resume from OP with silly qualifications like "advanced memery" and "basic concern troll tactics" and such stuff. No direct insult took place, hence the warning not to further provoke him anymore. The comment did not warrant a ban and despite me being unable to prove that now, you have to take my word and my past track record of honesty for it. I have no horse in this race and I don't care for either party in that debate. The rules are the rules and the only reason mikebam wasn't permanently banned was due to him being a mid-to-longterm community member, not some random nobody.

Btw: I thought you were going to publish our DM-conversation from Discord?? No worries, I'll do it for ya:

To answer I still have 150 Dash invested. You are very wrong. Maybe you should read my post more carefully before just assuming.

Of course I asked you... I didn’t know saying the word “moronic” would lead to a lifetime ban. Maybe I should have just said “Go F yourself” for a 14 day ban?

 

[Macrochip]

To answer I still have 150 Dash invested. You are very wrong. Maybe you should read my post more carefully before just assuming.

Of course I asked you... I didn’t know saying the word “moronic” would lead to a lifetime ban. Maybe I should have just said “Go F yourself” for a 14 day ban?

The result would've been the same. Do you know why? Because there was no prior provocation to warrant such a reaction. Your insult came out of the blue just because I corrected your false statement about the VCO causing inflation.

 

[MizzyMax]

The result would've been the same. Do you know why? Because there was no prior provocation to warrant such a reaction. Your insult came out of the blue just because I corrected your false statement about the VCO causing inflation.

But you were incorrect and what you did say actually was pretty moronic. To say that Kuvacash never inflated Dash is none sense lol

 

[Macrochip]

But you were incorrect and what you did say actually was pretty moronic. To say that Kuvacash never inflated Dash is none sense lol

Thank you for confirming how correct my decision was to permanently ban you from r/dashpay. With that behaviour you won't last long on this forum either.

 

[MizzyMax]

The result would've been the same. Do you know why? Because there was no prior provocation to warrant such a reaction. Your insult came out of the blue just because I corrected your false statement about the VCO causing inflation.

Also “no prior provocation” are you saying you provoked “Go F yourself”?

 

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@Macrochip / Basilpop

Your role as a moderator is not "being right"! You have this obsessive necessity of being right all the time. You banned me for disagreeing over the definition of ad-hominem. A good moderator would have defused the situation. Instead, you escalated it to a whole new level. With me, with mikebam, with MizzyMax and many other users.

You are not a friendly person, you do not have the patience or the temperament to manage a community, even though you might have all the facts right.

I'm going to list plenty of examples of you being unnecessarily rude, using unprofessional language, failing to defuse a situation, escalating problems, and just out right being a jerk to other users. I want to be clear that I will fight for your right to be a jerk and say whatever you want, because I respect free speech, but not as a Dash Moderator.

All these messages are just within the last 30 days.

@TroyDASH , @fernando , @Ryan Taylor , @amanda_b_johnson , @coingun, @tungfa , @Bradley Zastrow , @Dashmaximalist , @TaoOfSatoshi , @splawik21 , @mastermined , @kot , @alex-ru , @QuantumExplorer @JGCMiner

Is @Macrochip the kind of person you want speaking for the Dash Community?
Does it look like he is welcoming to new members and contribute to healthy discussions?

• Threatening users. "I conclude: You failed to provide evidence. You got one more try."
• Being rude to members "Thank you for your ignorant remark, complete outsider to this community who hasn't got the faintest clue about the development updates"
• Being rude to members "BECAUSE it was turned off to fix a bug. Again showing off your lack of intelligence."
• Fostering disagreements, escalating problems. "Don't drop big words like "objectively" if they don't apply but rather reflect your opinion. Nothing you just said was objective."
  
• Insulting other members and "Dropping the F-BOMB". @solarguy . I guess it's ok when other people do it, isn't it? "You're the one not getting it.
  I don't give a rat's ass about any blockchain. You're repeating the same exact thing I just told you of being irrelevant. Private fucking keys are being processed by a web wallet in order for it to work. What don't you get about that?"
• Escalating conflict "Still that did not happen here. Saying someone is an outsider to a community, which is objectively true, is not an ad hominem, no matter how you slice it. "Stupid" and "outsider" are two entirely different ballparks. "
  
• Being rude to members "Enjoy denying reality, Dash being ignored by people like you is definitely not a loss on our side."
• Being rude to members "You don't seem to understand the concept of a web wallet. You literally use your private keys to log in."
• Being rude to members "Am I calling you a liar? Yes"
• Being rude to members, using unprofessional language. I guess it's ok when other people do it, right @solarguy ? "Being offended does not make you right.Crypto-journalism is terribly weak and lousy and you know it. Any idiot can have his horribly bad crypto-articles published on the huge amount of crypto-themed "news-sites" these days and the quality is ridiculous. Calling this shit out for what it is does not make you a bad person, it makes you one of the few remaining sane people in this scene."
• Being rude to members and mocking members for not having masternode. "Quite the troll, aren't ya? Good thing you don't have a Masternode."
• Offending members, using unprofessional language. " Oh look another instawhiner. Nobody of any significance cares about it. Wanna know what's really desperate? After 4 years still bitching about a launch bug that affected literally nobody in any negative way."
• Being rude to members. "Reading comprehension: F"
• Failing to defuse a situation, escalating conflict. "Which is completely false and yet you're passing it off as your own "knowledge". You did not distance yourself from the FUD by explaining that others are saying it, no you're spreading the FUD yourself. And now you act surprised over the backlash."
• Dropping the F-bomb, using unprofessional language "Oh gee do I wonder how they knew that... oh wait it was fucking announced beforehand!. Maybe that's how they knew?"
• Being rude to members "Considering how factually challenged you seem to be, you should take your own advice."
• Escalating conflict, failing to defuse situation " Nobody here is "worried" about criticism. What you presented isn't criticism though. It's falsehoods. Plain and simple. Debunking false facts hardly qualifies as "worry". By all means: Bring on what you think to be "criticism". I'll take it apart one by one."
• Using unprofessional language "Complete and utter bullshit."
• Escalating conflict, ad-hominem "Author seems clueless and hopelessly overstrained."
• Banning a user that wanted to ask a question: "Banned"
• Losing his patience and being rude to users "I'm not going to explain to you how a Masternode does not create new coins (much less a Masternode operator), because we're reaching the level of ludicrousness here."
• Offending members, escalating conflict, unprofessional language. "Your twisted perception is caused by cognitive dissonance. You're used to see people bitch and moan in crypto all the time. That's why you can't comprehend it when you see a community that's in harmony with itself. In your small-minded world it's impossible to achieve consensus without bashing each others heads in. Well if you wanna call solving the governance problem a "cult", so be it. Doesn't mean you won't be left behind anyway."
• Offending users, escalating conflict. "Playing dumb won't help you marginalize Dash's achievements."
• Offending users, using unprofessional language "You being butthurt for missing out on cheap Dash doesn't constitute a problem to the project, you know."
• Offending users, escalating conflict "That's rich coming from the kid who's crying about how he can't downvote something because he disagrees with the facts and fails to even remotely address the issue."
• Offending users, escalating conflict "sounds like snowflake boohoo."

Remember, this is only from the last 30 days. And before someone comments on my post history, I am not a Dash moderator and do not speak for any community.

I don't doubt he is a good member of the community, that he likes to be right all the time and probably is, but he is not a good moderator for Dash in any way, shape or form. Please remove him as a moderator, and set up official standards for the others.

 

[TroyDASH]

Establishing official policies for moderator (and user) conduct, and procedures for how to review and handle potential violations, is something I think is a good idea for any community. When policies are well defined, it often results in easier decision-making, and less arbitrary or emotional arguments.