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Re-read the quote in context, Ryan. It's very clear from the previous sentence that I was comparing the MNO allocations of our respective plans to the status quo (i.e. 45%). The MNO plan yields 44% for MNOs if we allocate 20% to proposals. The lowest that the DCG plan yields is 48%, which is...

Your DASH BLOCK REWARD CHANGES make sense to me. I think it would be good to propose to the network. The question is, when, and how? The two-plan proposals are already up, and it's not likely either team will want to (or be allowed by the alternate team in good faith) to change the proposal...

That poll is old news at this point. It was included as background, motivation, and as an explanation of why our proposal is called the MNO plan. If you're concerned about MNOs voting themselves a higher allocation you might want to choose the MNO plan. It's only plan where there's actually...

@ghowdy, can you clarify these calculations? Both plans break even with 54% to masternodes and 36% to miners when MNOs allocate 10% to proposals, so I'm not sure what your reference point is when you say "extra". Yes. This is a key point. I actually looked up whether it was raining in...

@stan.distortion, assuming the DCG proposal passed and got implemented, 6 months from now do you expect MNOs to vote for more than 10% proposal allocation or less?

Incentivized voting is used all the time, it's just that we don't call it that. "Incentivized voting" is just the "free market" - people voting by exchanging their money for things that they like. What we're attempting with Dash is making a new economy where money production and "public goods"...

Our proposal isn't based on "fairness", it's based on section "4.1 Guiding Principles" and section "4.4 Risk Management". Like DCG, we want to reduce mining allocation as much as possible, which means to that degree where we have 1) ample security and 2) confidence that miners will adopt the...

@stan.distortion I've been reading this post to get a better understanding of the historical context. I arrived in Dash shortly after this new system had been implemented, and I see you were a big part of those conversations back then. The following are a few things I wanted to comment on in...

I don't personally agree with your whole statement there, but I support having more options. There are two challenges though: You need DCG to agree to implement it if it passed (like they have explicitly done for the MNO Plan). It's complex to vote on more than two mutually exclusive options...

I think that's a good idea for a future proposal. The market favors simplicity, and it's certainly possible. MNO Plan advocates aren't assuming 36% is exactly optimal. It was a compromise based on several constraints and considerations: We needed to respect the recently-approved...

I can't speak to the legal liability issue, as that's not my specialty. But at least with the MNO Plan we might be able to design it such that individual MNOs could direct their portion of the unused treasury to either some known charity address or even to some "null" address, i.e. an MNO could...

The text says: "only one may be implemented". That just means that either of the two, but not both. In addition, it's possible for neither to be implemented. See the Process section for details. The MNO Plan actually puts MNs in a position to grant themselves less income (44%) if they fund...

I understand your perspective here. For you, and anyone who is against raising the limit to 20%, voting down both proposals right now might not be your best strategy. If your goal is to have less DASH going to POs, you might be better off choosing the option that makes it less likely for MNOs...

@xkcd, the plan is to settle down at 36% fixed miner reward, not 40%. This aligns with Ryan's plan at 10% proposal funding. Regarding @forro's post, I recommend not putting in your own proposal. Other entities will be putting in proposals covering two options for the community to decide on...

A recent poll Ryan conducted in the #mno channel of the Dash Talk Discord showed 22 MNOs voting for a 65% masternode / 35% miner block reward split, with only 5 voting for the 60%/40% split that Ryan ended up proposing to the network. The same poll showed 26 MNOs voting for...

Thanks for spearheading this opportunity to engage with Mises, @Jmmon. In general I don't think any of us should be donating our own funds when we have a treasury that's specifically designed for such things, but I understand the circumstances make this one hard to make into a formal proposal...

Thanks for linking to my document @TroyDASH. I haven't given up on fighting for this yet, so I"m sure this thread will serve us well in the future. I'd be interested in hearing what the best alternative is to my proposed solution. Thoughts anyone?

Fans of the existing logo: I used to be in your camp. However, I ask you to reconsider voting to keep the existing logo, and rather vote for T&C, even if it's not 100% what you want. The stakes are too high to roll the dice with another round of rebrands. T&C is close enough for me: It is...

I would welcome a shift from the uber-masculine, all-caps, battleship theme of DASH in our current brand to a more neutral and female-friendly brand like what T&C has offered. O&M seems to be a pendulum swing too far into feminism (with an impractical gradient theme that, while initially...

Nice proposal. You've put a lot of thought and work in already. I proposed something very similar a while back. People raised some of the same concerns about centralization and bureaucracy. Ultimately I abandoned that proposal and shifted my efforts to try to bootstrap a local...